The Ship Be Halfway Sinking – Can You Make the Playoffs with 20 losses in two months?

December 27, 2007

At 8-20, the Knicks are a longshot to make the playoffs even in a below average Eastern Conference. The standings say they are 4 1/2 games out of eighth place but that really means little because there are few signs of the team playing above an 8-20 pace. Another 8-20 puts them at 16-40 and if you add in their 8-18, that’s 24-58.

So that being said, here’s a list of teams that had 20 losses in the first two months of a season and how they finished in every 82-game season since 1984-85.

2006-07

Philadelphia 8-22 went 27-23 the rest of the way for 35 wins

New York 13-20 went 20-29 the rest of the way for 33 wins

Charlotte 9-21 went 24-28 the rest of the way for 33 wins

Atlanta 9-20 went 21-32 for 30 wins

Memphis 5-25 went 17-35 for 22 wins

2005-06

Toronto 8-22 went 19-33 for 27 wins

New York 7-21 went 16-38 for 23 wins

Charlotte 10-20 went 16-36 for 26 wins

Atlanta 7-21 went 19-35 for 26 wins

2004-05

Toronto 10-21 went 23-28 for 33 wins

Atlanta 5-23 went 8-46 for 13 wins

New Orleans 2-26 went 16-48 for 18 wins

2003-04

Orlando 8-24 went 13-37 for 21 wins

Washington 8-21 went 17-34 for 27 wins

Chicago 9-21 went 14-38 for 23 wins

Atlanta 9-24 went 19-30 for 28 wins

Cleveland 10-22 went 25-23 for 35 wins

Phoenix 12-20 went 17-33 for 29 wins

2002-03

Cleveland 6-26 went 11-39 for 17 wins

Toronto 8-23 went 16-35 for 24 wins

Chicago 11-20 went 19-32 for 30 wins

Denver 6-24 went 11-41 for 17 wins

Memphis 9-22 went 19-32 for 28 wins

2001-02

Miami 6-23 went 30-23 for 36 wins

Chicago 6-23 went 15-38 for 21 wins

Memphis 9-21 went 14-38 for 23 wins

Houston 9-22 went 19-32 for 28 wins

2000-01

Washington 6-25 went 13-38 for 19 wins

New Jersey 9-21 went 17-35 for 26 wins

Chicago 5-25 went 10-42 for 17 wins

Atlanta 10-20 went 15-37 for 25 wins

Vancouver 8-22 went 15-37 for 23 wins

Golden State 6-20 went 11-45 for 17 wins

LA Clippers 10-21 went 21-30 for 31 wins

1999-2000 

Washington 10-20 went 19-33 for 29 wins

Chicago 2-25 went 15-42 for 17 wins

Vancouver 6-23 went 16-37 for 22 wins

Houston 10-20 went 24-28 for 34 wins

Dallas 9-21 went 31-21 for 40 wins

LA Clippers 9-20 went 6-47 for 15 wins

Golden State 6-23 went 15-40 for 19 wins

1997-98 

Philadelphia 7-21 went 24-30 for 31 wins

Toronto 4-26 went 12-40 for 16 wins

Denver 2-26 went 9-45 for 11 wins

Vancouver 10-20 went 9-54 for 19 wins

Dallas 5-25 went 15-37 for 20 wins

LA Clippers 6-24 went 11-41 for 17 wins

Golden State 7-21 went 12-42 for 19 wins

Sacramento 11-20 went 16-35 for 27 wins

1996-97

Boston 6-21 went 9-46 for 15 wins

Philadelphia 8-20 went 14-40 for 22 wins

Vancouver 6-25 went 8-43 for 14 wins

San Antonio 7-20 went 13-42 for 20 wins

Denver 8-22 went 13-39 for 21 wins

1995-96

Philadelphia 5-22 went 13-42 for 18 wins

Toronto 9-21 went 12-40 for 21 wins

Vancouver 5-25 went 10-42 for 15 wins

Minnesota 7-20 went 19-36 for 26 wins

1994-95

Minnesota 6-21 went 15-40 for 21 wins

LA Clippers 4-25 went 13-40 for 17 wins

1993-94

Washington 8-20 went 16-38 for 24 wins

Milwaukee 8-20 went 12-42 for 20 wins

Dallas 2-24 went 11-45 for 13 wins

Minnesota 8-20 went 12-42 for 20 wins

1992-93 

Washington 8-20 went 14-40 for 22 wins

Dallas 2-22 went 9-49 for 11 wins

1991-92

Orlando 6-23 went 15-38 for 21 wins

Charlotte 8-23 went 23-28 for 31 wins

Minnesota 4-23 went 11-44 for 15 wins

Sacramento 8-20 went 21-33 for 29 wins

1990-91

Miami 8-21 went 16-37 for 24 wins

Denver 6-23 went 14-39 for 20 wins

Orlando 7-23 went 24-27 for 30 wins

Sacramento 6-21 went 19-36 for 25 wins

1989-90 

New Jersey 8-20 went 9-45 for 17 wins

Miami 7-23 went 11-41 for 18 wins

Orlando 9-20 went 9-44 for 18 wins

Charlotte 6-20 went 13-43 for 19 wins

Minnesota 6-23 went 16-37 for 22 wins

Sacramento 7-20 went 16-39 for 23 wins

1988-89

Indiana 5-22 went 23-32 for 28 wins

Miami 3-24 went 12-43 for 15 wins

San Antonio 7-20 went 14-41 for 21 wins

1987-88

New Jersey 5-21 went 14-42 for 19 wins

Sacramento 7-21 went 17-37 for 24 wins

Golden State 4-20 went 16-42 for 20 wins

1986-87 

New York 9-21 went 15-37 for 24 wins

New Jersey 6-20 went 18-38 for 24 wins

San Antonio 8-22 went 20-32 for 28 wins

Sacramento 8-20 went 21-33 for 29 wins

LA Clippers 4-24 went 8-48 for 12 wins

1985-86

New York 7-21 went 16-38 for 23 wins

Indiana 9-21 went 17-35 for 26 wins

Chicago 13-21 went 17-31 for 30 wins and playoffs

Sacramento 9-22 went 28-23 for 37 wins and playoffs

Golden State 12-22 went 18-30 for 30 wins

Seattle 12-20 went 19-31 for 31 wins

LA Clippers 11-21 went 21-29 for 32 wins

1984-85

New York 12-22 went 12-36 for 24 wins

Indiana 8-22 went 14-38 for 22 wins

Cleveland 6-22 went 30-24 for 36 wins and playoffs

Golden State 10-20 went 12-40 for 22 wins


A Day Late and A Dollar Short in Posting – Portland vs. Denver

December 23, 2007

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I’ve been excited for regular season games in December before but they usually involve the usual suspects, (Mavericks-Spurs, Mavs-Spurs, Pistons-Cavs etc). Rarely if ever have they involved the Trail Blazers and the Nuggets and probably the last time I followed one of those games that closely was when I had to write the recap for the Ticker back a few years ago.

But the Blazers have won 10 in a row after their thrilling 99-96 victory and I spent most of the day eagerly anticipating this one and hoping Denver would have enough after playing double overtime against Houston the previous night.

I was certainly not disappointed and neither were the Trail Blazer fans who have watched their young team rebuild the competent way. While it wasn’t down the final buzzer, the Blazers hit six straight foul shos to win it, the game certainly had its moments, the Nuggets came back from 85-78 and following that lead the game was tied at 92 with 2:51 remaining before Travis Outlaw hit the go-ahead jumper.

Here’s a look at their 10 straight wins:

1 – 12/3 at Memphis 106-105 – Outlaw scores 21 and hits a game-winning six-footer at the buzzer

2 – 12/6 vs. Miami 112-106 – They allowed a 16-point lead to dwindle to one but hold on by outscoring the Heat 24-19 down the stretch. Brandon Roy scored 25 and reached the line 13 times.

3 – 12/9 vs. Milwaukee 117-113 (OT) – Roy scored 26 points and also makes the go-ahead layup with in the final minute of OT. The Blazers rally from five points down in overtime after being up by 13 earlier in the game.

4 – 12/11 at Utah – 97-89 – The biggest margin of victory thus far and Martell Webster scored a career-high 25 points and the Blazers overcome getting statistically pounded in rebounding and in the paint.

5 – 12/12 vs. Golden State 105-95 – Roy leads the way with 21, Outlaw leads the team with 22, Joel Pryzbilla collects 15 and 10 . The Blazers are rarely threatened and have a 10-point win.

6 – 12/14 vs. Utah 99-91 – Roys scores 29 this time and the Blazers win despite shooting 44 percent and outrebounded by 11. They make up for it by hitting 37 free throws and getting 11 points from Outlaw in the fourth when they outscored Utah 29-17.

7 – 12/16 at Denver 116-105 – Roy has 26 and 11 assists and Channing Frye has 20. Portland wins in Denver for the first time in over four years by shooting 55 percent.

8 – 12/17 vs. New Orleans – 88-76 – Portland clinches its first winning month since November 2004. Roy scores 24 as the Blazers overcome 34 percent shooting in the first half.

9 – 12/19 vs. Toronto – 101-96 – Roy has the flu but finishes with 25 points, nine rebounds and eight assists. Portland trails the entire second half but Outlaw’s free throws with just over six minutes remaining tie it at 87-87 and Roy follows with the go-ahead layup.

So why have the Blazers won 10 in a row? Obviously they’ve played good but Henry Abbott of True Hoop has the answers with an interview of Portland assistant coach Dean Demopoulos.

Some things you can learn are this: The zone defense being played is decsended from Jimmy Valvano, whom Nate McMillian played for at North Carolina State.

So what else are they saying out in Blazer land:

Setting The Scene with Mike Barrett 

Game Report from BlazersEdge 

 


Know the Name – Leon Williams Ohio University

December 21, 2007

Last night before the Duke-Pittsburgh game, I was holding court with George Rodecker
and we were discussing the St. John’s-Ohio game from Wednesday.  Ohio won it on a layup by Leon Williams, a player that I had been unfamiliar with.  He is thought somewhat highly of as he is the 10th-best power forward in the rankings on Roadie Hoops ,

In the St. John’s game, he posted his 31st career double-double with 24 points and 10 rebounds.  The Baltimore native also had 31 and eight at Temple, 15 and 15 at Maryland and 11 rebounds in a blowout loss at Kansas.

This is what the Blue Ribbon College Basketball yearbook said about him:

One of the first names mentioned by opposing coaches around the MAC as the player who requires special attention is power-forward Leon Williams (14.4 ppg, 8.8 rpg), a 6-8, 225-pound senior and dominating post presence. Williams is money around the hoop (.583 FG) and is a fearless rebounder who nabbed 114 offensive rebounds (3.56 per game) last season, tops in the MAC.

”He is among the better rebounders anywhere,” O’Shea said.

Williams, a definite league player-of-the-year candidate, gives Ohio inside strength that is difficult for most MAC squads to defend.

He’s not on any mock drafts just yet, but perhaps he gets a look at the predraft camps.

Anyway should he find a spot in the NBA, he will join the guys listed below as Ohio University players to make it there:

Baumholtz, Frankie 1946-1946
Graham, Paul 1991-1993
Hunter, Brandon 2003-
Jamerson, Dave 1990-1993
Jolliff, Howie 1960-1962
Lalich, Pete 1946-1946
Mckee, Jerry 1969-1969
Shrider, Dick 1948-1948
Trent, Gary 1995-2003


Wow! There have been nearly over 200 coaching changes since Jerry Sloan took over

December 21, 2007

That’s an amazing stat when John Thompson mentioned it on his interview with Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan on Inside the NBA. Of course, knowing how my mind works, I wondered about all those changes.

He became the coach on December 9, 1988 and presided over a 97-89 loss to the Dallas Mavericks. It’s nearly impossible to list the exact order of coaching changes but the next best thing would be to do it by team.

Atlanta Hawks – Mike Fratello, Bob Weiss, Lenny Wilkens, Lon Kruger, Terry Stotts, Mike Woodson. (six coaches)
Boston Celtics – Jimmy Rodgers, Chris Ford, ML Carr, Rick Pitino, Jim O’Brien, John Carroll, Doc Rivers (seven)

Charlotte Bobcats – Bernie Bickerstaff, Sam Vincent (two)

Chicago Bulls – Doug Collins, Phil Jackson, Tim Floyd, Bill Berry, Bill Cartwright, Pete Myers, Scott Skiles (seven)

Cleveland Cavaliers – Lenny Wilkens, Mike Fratello, Randy Wittman, John Lucas, Keith Smart, Paul Silas, Brendan Malone, Mike Brown (eight)

Dallas Mavericks – John MacLeod, Richie Adubato, Gar Heard, Quinn Buckner, Dick Motta, Jim Cleamons, Don Nelson, Donn Nelson, Avery Johnson (nine)

Denver Nuggets – Doug Moe, Paul Westhead, Dan Issel, Gene Littles, Bernie Bickerstaff, Dick Motta, Bill Hanzlik, Mike D’Antoni, Dan Issel, Mike Evans, Jeff Bzdelik, Michael Cooper, George Karl (12)

Detroit Pistons – Chuck Daly, Ron Rothstein, Don Chaney, Doug Collins, Alvin Gentry, George Irvine, Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown, Flip Saunders (nine)

Golden State Warriors – Don Nelson, Bob Lanier, Rick Adelman, PJ Carlesimo, Garry St Jean, Dave Cowens, Brian Winters, Eric Musselman, Mike Montgomery, Don Nelson (nine)

Houston Rockets – Don Chaney, Rudy Tomjanovich, Jeff Van Gundy, Rick Adelman (four)

Indiana Pacers – George Irvine, Dick Versace, Bob Hill, Larry Brown, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Rick Carlisle, Jim O’Brien (eight)

Los Angeles Clippers – Gene Shue, Don Casey, Mike Schuler, Larry Brown, Bob Weiss, Bill Fitch, Chris Ford, Jim Todd, Alvin Gentry, Dennis Johnson, Mike Dunleavy (11)

Los Angeles Lakers – Pat Riley, Mike Dunleavy, Randy Pfund, Magic Johnson, Del Harris, Bill Bertka, Kurt Rambis, Phil Jackson, Rudy Tomjanovich, Frank Hamblen, Phil Jackson (10)

Memphis Grizzlies – Brian Winters, Stu Jackson, Brian Hill, Lionel Hollins, Sidney Lowe, Hubie Brown, Lionel Hollins, Mike Fratello, Tony Barone, Marc Iavaroni (nine)

Miami Heat – Ron Rothstein, Kevin Loughery, Alvin Gentry, Pat Riley, Stan Van Gundy, Pat Riley (five)

Milwaukee Bucks – Del Harris, Frank Hamblen, Mike Dunleavy, Chris Ford, George Karl, Terry Porter, Terry Stotts, Larry Krystowiak (eight)

Minnesota Timberwolves – Bill Musselman, Jimmy Rodgers, Sidney Lowe, Bill Blair, Flip Saunders, Kevin McHale, Dwane Casey, Randy Wittman (eight)

New Jersey Nets – Willis Reed, Bill Fitch, Chuck Daly, Butch Beard, John Calipari, Don Casey, Byron Scott, Lawrence Frank (eight)

New Orleans Hornets – Dick Harter, Gene Littles, Allan Bristow, Dave Cowens, Paul Silas, Tim Floyd, Byron Scott (seven)

New York Knicks – Rick Pitino, Stu Jackson, John McLeod, Pat Riley, Don Nelson, Jeff Van Gundy, Don Chaney, Herb Williams, Lenny Wilkens, Herb Williams, Larry Brown, Isiah Thomas (11)

Orlando Magic – Matt Guokas, Brian Hill, Richie Adubato, Chuck Daly, Doc Rivers, Johnny Davis, Chris Jent, Brian Hill, Stan Van Gundy (eight)

Philadelphia 76ers – Jim Lynam, Doug Moe, Fred Carter, John Lucas, Johnny Davis, Larry Brown, Randy Ayers, Chris Ford, Jim O’Brien, Maurice Cheeks (10)

Phoenix Suns – Cotton Fitzsimmons, Paul Westphal, Cotton Fitzsimmons, Danny Ainge, Scott Skiles, Frank Johnson, Mike D’Antoni (six)

Portland TrailBlazers – Mike Schuler, Rick Adelman, PJ Carlesimo, Mike Dunleavy, Maurice Cheeks, Kevin Pritchard, Nate McMillian (seven)

Sacramento Kings – Jerry Reynolds, Dick Motta, Rex Hughes, Garry St. Jean, Eddie Jordan, Rick Adelman, Eric Musselman, Reggie Theus (eight)

San Antonio Spurs – Larry Brown, Bob Bass, Jerry Tarkanian, John Lucas, Rex Hughes, Bob Hill, Gregg Popovich (seven)

Seattle Supersonics – Bernie Bickerstaff, Tom Newell, Bob Kloppenburg, Bernie Bickerstaff, KC Jones, Bob Kloppenburg, George Karl, Paul Westphal, Nate McMillian, Bob Weiss, Bob Hill, PJ Carlesimo (10)

Toronto Raptors – Brendan Malone, Darrell Walker, Butch Carter, Lenny Wilkens, Kevin O’Neill, Sam Mitchell (six)

Washington Wizards – Wes Unseld, Jim Lynam, Bernie Bickerstaff, Jim Brovelli, Darrell Walker, Gar Heard, Leonard Hamilton, Doug Collins, Eddie Jordan (nine)


The Best of Knicks Coach and President Isiah Thomas

December 20, 2007

The New York Times is offering its archives for free since 1985. That gives anyone a chance to look up any topic and read about it. Without further ado, I present the best quotes of the Isiah Thomas era on a monthly basis. Though many of these quotes were made to reporters from multiple media outlets, credit the New York Times archives as the source:

December 2003

12/23 ”Everything in New York is big and the best. ‘Here, we’re trying to win and right away.’

12/24 ”One of the things that I’m evaluating and assessing is what will a New York Knick player look like and what values will he possess and how will he play?”

12/28 ”Winning to me is not a good effort. ‘You either win or lose.”

12/30 ”I think there are different ways to motivate people. I’ve always tried to inspire people instead of trying to manipulate them through fear, because if you’re going to have a long-lasting effect it has to be through true inspiration of that individual wanting to succeed as opposed to I’m going to frighten you to succeed.”

January 2004

1/4 ”He’s got great stuff. ‘His defense stuff is solid, his offensive stuff is exceptional. He’s got a great basketball background. I’m confident if we can put the right things around him from a coaching standpoint, I as a manager can do the right things by him, he can have success here.” – expressing his confidence in Don Chaney

1/5 ”It just made me realize how important that position was to us and how much we needed to go out and acquire a guy like that. ‘You just don’t get a chance to get these superstar players and have them be on your team in this day and age.”- after acquiring Marbury

1/12 ”We’re in the state where I think it would be impossible for me to do both and do them well. ‘We’re trying to get healthy and we got to dig ourselves out of a big hole. And I don’t think I would do this organization justice by trying to do both jobs.” – on if he could coach and be in the front office

1/13 ”You definitely don’t like to see anyone humiliated in such a public forum. It’s a tough time for him as a man.” – on the David Letterman show discussing the status of Don Chaney

1/14 ”We came to the conclusion late this morning. You never thought you would be able to get a Hall of Fame coach to be able to coach a team. Having the opportunity to have the winningest coach in basketball, we pride ourselves on being the best and having the opportunity to select the best. I just think he’s a perfect fit. And I think he’s the perfect fit for Stephon.” – on hiring Lenny Wilkens

1/19 ”He’s a very special player, a very gifted player,” ”And I think, ideally, we would still like to get more athletic and go out and acquire the best talent and get the best players for him to play with. I would like for us to become a much more athletic team, a quicker team.” – more on Marbury

February 2004

2/15 ”The only reason we made the trade was because we got both players. When you add Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed to our team, it makes us a much more athletic team. I think we’ve become a better defensive team, a better rebounding team.” – on acquiring Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed.

2/15 ”I wanted to put together a team that was exciting for the fans to come and watch, a team that had some character and some guts, but also a team that you can grab a box of popcorn and grab a soda and enjoy the game. ”You want players and you want a team that people want to see. I think this is a team that when everyone is healthy and playing well, it can be an exciting team that people will want to see and talk about.”

March 2004

3/17 ”Lenny and I are on the same page. ‘We talk daily, nightly, hourly. We work well together. I love my team. I love our coach. I love our players. But I want more.” – after he yelled at the Knicks for sucking in an overtime win over Washington

April 2004

4/23 ”This is a starting point for us; we will learn from this experience. You’ve got to be in the playoffs and have some humiliating moments to learn to win.” – following n 81-78 loss to the Nets in Game Three

4/27 ”But I didn’t think it was a good message to send to our fans to say: ‘You know, we haven’t made the playoffs in two years. We’re going to get rid of all the salary and go young, and, you know, by the way, the next three years we aren’t going to make the playoffs because we’re going to be young and rebuilding.”’ – after the Knicks were swept in the playoffs by the Nets.

October 2004

10/1 “After watching the Yankees pour Champagne last night in their locker room, I got really fired up and inspired. “I look at our team, and that’s what we aspire to be. And I’m pretty excited about this year and the possibilities and the chances that we have. I like all the young guys that we have, love the veterans that are coming back. The coaches are enthused. We’ve got a chance to have a really good year, and I’m excited about it.”

10/7 – If he conforms to the Knick ways and he acts accordingly, yeah. Thus far, he’s conformed. Everything’s O.K. if you do what we’re asking you to do. But when you try to do things the way you want to do them, there are issues with that.” – on Shandon Anderson

November 2004

11/9 – “I have no interest in coaching,. I don’t think I’ll ever coach the New York Knicks.”

11/9 – “As long as I’m the president of basketball operations here in New York, I don’t see myself coaching the New York Knicks,” he said. “And I wish you would stop writing it or stop saying it, because that’s not going to happen while I’m here.

11/9 – “I think in other cities, you may be able to pull off G.M.-coach, but I don’t think in this city you can do it, simply because the energy and the passion that it takes to do one job, the way we have to travel, the way we have to live, the complexities of this city. I know, myself, I wouldn’t have the energy to be the president and also the coach.”

December 2004

12/7 “I think he’s in that discussion. I know the thing that the coaches value the most is his work ethic, the way he approaches the game every night and the way he does the dirty work inside the paint. He’s not flashy; he’s effective. He’s just a worker.” – on Nazr Mohammed

12/12 “If you’re not playing for the championship, then you’re not good enough. And my job is to continue to try to make us good enough, so we can compete and try to win the championship one day.”

January 2005

1/4 – “I thought he was awesome, and I happen to agree with him. “When you look at his numbers across the board and what we do when he’s out on the floor, I think he is the best right now.” – on Marbury declaring himself the NBA’s best point guard

1/21 -”It hurts to watch your team lose by 1 and 2 points and get beat at the buzzer and all that But you know what? It’s part of the process. If you want to make quick, rash decisions, then you should go hire somebody else. But if you want sustained growth, in terms of how we’re building it, right now I’m stubborn enough to stick to my plan.”

1/22 – “It’s tough when you lose someone such as Lenny, “What he’s meant to the game of basketball, what he’s done for our organization, and last year when we got together, I think where he’s brought us to, we’re on solid footing. He laid the foundation, he came in and handled it with class and dignity and grace. He did all the right things to get us into the playoffs last year.”

Gathered by Larry Fleisher of InsideHoops.com from the New York Times archives

February 2005

2/9 – “Make no mistake, the man in front of you has been through a lot of tough times,” Thomas said of himself. As he added: “Our best days are in front of us and not in the present. We have to be patient enough to get to that day.” – explaining the 19-30 record

2/24 – “We were able to upgrade our talent in getting Malik Rose and Maurice Taylor. There’s also the addition of the two picks. We have two first-round picks this year and two first-round picks next year. We will be able to improve our team with the youth we’ll get in the draft, or we may be able to package some players and do some other things. This gives us creative ability in the draft.” – on the deals for Malik Rose and Maurice Taylor.

2/24 “Malik is a high-energy player, and the fans are going to enjoy watching him play. “In terms of his salary, a guy like Malik who is making $5 or $6 million a year is worthy of that contract. The two or three additional years that he has, I’m very comfortable paying those numbers. Those are not $12, $13 or $14 million numbers.”

April 2005

4/20 – “I really like what we have. When you’ve lost 30 games by 6 points or less, there’s some hope. So we’re not as far away as our record would indicate.” – the day after the team finished 33-49

4/20 – “The way I feel right now, I’d trade my mother if the right deal came along,” – discussing on how to improve the roster

June 2005

6/28 – “We like Herb Williams as a coach; he did a fine job when he was here. I’m sorry. He did a fine job of coaching the team. But we want to do the best and do the right thing for the New York Knicks, and we’ll be diligent and patient with our approach.” – Thomas jumping the gun on the coaching job.

6/30 – “I don’t think I’ve ever said this to any of you publicly, but last year was really the first time that I’ve ever been associated with a basketball team that was called ‘soft’ at certain times. Every team that I’ve ever played on has always been a great defensive team, whether it’s been my high school team, college team or pro team, or the team that I coached in Indiana.” – Thomas on the day he introduced Quentin Richardson, Channing Frye, Nate Robinson and David Lee

July 2005

7/2 – “Any guy that has ‘center’ next to his name, we’re interested in.”- Thomas discussing his search for a free agent center in class that included Stromile Swift and Samuel Dalembert

7/6 – “That is so far from the truth. And I’m ashamed for you guys that you even have to ask me that, because there is absolutely no truth to it at all.” – denying reports that Marbury was available.

7/28 – “Larry has won every place that he’s gone. And make no mistake about it, I think he will work extremely hard to turn this situation around for us.” – introducing Larry Brown as his third coach in nearly two years

November 2005

11/16 – “I like what I’m seeing, I like what we’ve done. Actually, pretty excited about the way we’re playing. – before the Knicks fell to 2-6 with a loss at the LA Lakers

December 2005

12/22 – “We were very competitive out on the road, and I don’t know if there’s a fear of playing at home, but we’ve had some embarrassing losses at home. And it seems that our guys are much more competitive and play with a lot more confidence away from home.” – celebrating his second anniversary on the job by saying the bad crowd reactions in double digits losses negatively impact the team.

February 2006

2/4 – ”I’m not saying this is a move to get to the playoffs or anything like that. Jalen is a person who fits exactly what we need. A very versatile player, he can handle the ball in the backcourt, he can score from the small forward position and he can take some of the scoring load off some of our younger players who have been asked to score at difficult times during the game.” – on acquiring Jalen Rose’s contract from the Raptors.

2/23 – “We feel pretty good about the direction we’re headed,.We’re not happy with the record. However, our future is bright.” – after acquiring Steve Francis

April 2006

4/20 – “I don’t think that our record is indicative of the type of coach that he is or the type of players that we have,” – after the 23-win season ended

Gathered by Larry Fleisher of http://www.insidehoops.com from the New York Times archives

June 2006

6/27 – “I’ve been in pressure situations before.All my life has basically been about pressure, about having to get it done. And just because you say it publicly does not make me afraid of it or shy away from it. You got a job to do, go get it done.” – responding to the mandate by Dolan for significant progress

6/28 – “It’s challenging. I don’t think there’s anybody else in the league or in sports probably working under this situation. However, that’s how it is.” – in response to Dolan’s mandate for significant progress or else (whatever that means)

6/28 – “I’d rather bet on myself. If my career is in the hands of somebody else, trust is not something that I have a lot of these days.” – accepting the challenge of coaching his roster

6/28 – “No, because I stand here before you today in all honesty and I say I would still rather have Eddy Curry than any player in this draft and every G.M. polled would take Eddy Curry in this draft. And if we had the second pick, I would have traded the second pick in the draft for Eddy Curry.” – defending the Eddy Curry trade on draft night

August 8 -

“I spent a lot of time this summer talking to different people about chemistry because one of the things that was written and said and that’s true about us is the chemistry wasn’t right. And what Jared brings to us, more so than talent, he brings chemistry. I think he balances your locker room. He balances the plane ride. Relationshipwise, in a group setting, he’s the chemical piece that makes everything kind of work, in a strange kind of way.” -introducing Jared Jefferies.

October 2006

October 10 – “I knew exactly what I was thinking. I wasn’t looking for Jerome to be an offensive player. I’m more than confident that the things that I want out of him, in terms of defending and rebounding, he’s very capable of doing. And he will do them. If you’re asking him to be a 20-point scorer and you want to judge him on his low-post game, then you’re looking at the wrong guy. But for a $5 million investment, and we didn’t have a center, I know exactly what I was doing. And you should keep that in mind. It’s not $30 million a year, it’s only five. I’m just saying, for centers in this league, backup, starting, whoever, we got a pretty good price there.” – defending his signing of Jerome James

October 13 – “Chances are, when you look at our schedule, we may start out in a hole. And you can’t get so buried in a hole that you lose hope. And you’ve got to have enough intestinal fortitude to fight yourself out of the hole and persevere and overcome the obstacles.” – after the preseason opener

October 25 – “He’s a big man; he’s a nice man. But there needs to come a time when it’s ‘Don’t play with Eddy.’ We want him to really have a presence out on the floor.” – urging Eddy Curry to be more tough on the court.

November 2006

11/4 – “This is an unmerciful league, and we’ll have a long memory. And one day, we’ll be the team that’s on top, doing the kicking and the stepping, And when we kick and we step, if we ever get to the top, it’s going to be a hard kick and a hard step, just like people have stepped on us pretty hard. We’ll be pretty unforgiving when we get on top.” – referring to how the Pacers celebrated their 109-95 win in the home opener

11/6 – “I was looking for a few good men,” – after using reserves to get his team back in a game against the Spurs and putting 42 million in salary on the bench.

December 2006

12/16 – “Hey, don’t go to the basket right now. It wouldn’t be a good idea.Just letting you know.” – his apparent threat to Carmelo Anthony that sparked the brawl heard around the world

12/27 – “Our crowd had a huge impact on the game tonight. “Being at home definitely has again become very comfortable to us. We like to play here now. It’s a good feeling when the Garden puts its arms around you.” – after a 151-145 three OT win over Detroit

12/29 “They’re a beautiful basketball team. The way they move, the way they pass, the way they cut, they’re good. One day, again, the goal is to try to get to that kind of level of play.” – correctly describing the Suns after a blowout loss

January 2007

1/3 – “This is a big win for us. “This whole season, every time it seems like we are at death’s door the team responds and gets a win.

“Who knows maybe this will turn out to be a very lucky season for us.” – after a 99-81 win in Portland

1/10 – “I think we’ve gotten to a point where we’re not looked at as one of those teams that you’re supposed to beat. I know we’ve gotten better as a basketball team, and I know next month we’ll be better than we are this month. But we’ve gotten to the level where I think we’re starting to get some respect around the league, that it’s not a ‘gimme’ anymore.” – before a 13-point home win over the 76ers
Gathered by Larry Fleisher of http://www.insidehoops.com from the New York Times archives

February 2007

2/6 – “I never thought we would see .500 at home,” after a win over the Clippers improved the Knicks to 13-13 at home.

2/26 – “It’d be nice if the godfather anointed him also,” – looking for Shaq to respect Eddy Curry

March 2007

3/18 – “I’m not a drug addict, but he’s my No. 1 drug,.“If it got close, that’s the button that I’ll push. I can’t help it. It’s like I’m Pavlov’s dog.” – after a rare blowout win allowed Curry to rest.

April 2007

4/19 – “You may look at the record. But I don’t think there’s a team out there that walks in saying, ‘This is an easy night for us.’ You can’t say that wasn’t the case all the time. I don’t think that will be again.” – reflecting on the 2006-07 season

June 2007

6/13 – ”I’m kind of hoping we don’t embarrass ourselves too much,’ – when the Knicks announced an exhibition game with Maccabi Tel Aviv

6/29 – “It’s safe to say that the ball will be in one of their hands most every time down the court. We’ll throw the ball inside. Either it will be in Eddy’s hands on one side or it will be in Zach’s hands on the other. The thing that’s intriguing about Zach is he can step out. He has a great midrange game.” – discussing the acquisition of Zach Randolph.

October 2007

October 11 – “I don’t think any of us received a warm reaction tonight. Whatever reaction that happens to me or for me, I’m a big boy. I’ve handled and conducted myself well, and I’ve been yelled at, screamed at, booed at. And I know how to handle myself. I’ll be fine, thank you.” – after most of the Macabbi Tel Aviv fans booed him at MSG

October 22 – ”I think players are starting to pick up their intensity as we get closer to the season,” – after a preseason victory over Boston.

November 2007 (It gets good here…)

November 2 – “This is a year where the best people play” – after benching Marbury in the season opener

November 13 – “We need leadership from that position at the point guard, and we also need defense. And those are two things that he’s definitely capable of doing. And when he returns, that’s what I expect out of him.” – explaining his decision to bench Marbury.

November 14 – “We’ll keep that in-house” – whether Marbury’s absence was excused or unexcused.

November 16 – “I’ve played with people I don’t like; I’ve won with people I don’t like,” – on welcoming Marbury back and comparing it to his playing career in Detroit

November 21 – “That’s on Isiah tonight. You never want to see this type of display of basketball, anywhere. And that’s on my desk. That’s on me.” – after his team made 29 turnovers in a 108-82 drubbing by the Warriors.

November 24 – “In New York, you’re either dead or alive. You lose a game and you’re dead, and you win one and you basically get to survive.” – after a win over the Bulls

November 26 – “He’s self-driven and he’s self-motivated, so you don’t have to get on him too often. But you do have to remind him sometimes of how good he should be, and don’t let him accept where he is.” – referring to Marbury after a win over Utah
November 29 – “I thought every single player was thinking about himself, as opposed to thinking about the team. I don’t know where this game came from.” – after a 104-59 loss in Boston on national TV.

November 30 – “Every time you lose a game in New York, we’re on death row here. So tonight they unstrapped the belts and I get to walk. And had we lost, I’m sure they’d have wet me down.” – after a 91-88 win over the Milwaukee Bucks in which the Knicks rallied from 17 points down.

December 2007

December 8 – “We had a rough start, but we’re starting to stabilize here.” – an hour before the Sixers rebounded and laughed their way to a 105-77 victory at MSG.

December 8 “I don’t really think this is a time to threaten anyone. I think it’s a time for me to get my team feeling good about themselves again and build their confidence up and get them back to trusting and loving each other and being a team.” – after that same loss.

December 10 -”It’s the fans’ fault because they don’t have a good sixth man,” – speaking to season ticket holder Mara Altschuler.

December 10 “I was just trying to make sure that we kept the team together and we stayed focused on what we were doing, in trying to win a basketball game. Our fans are great. They support us and they show up and we’re glad they’re here. – attempting to downplay the conversation with the fan following a loss to the Dallas Mavericks.

December 11 “To me, it’s win or die. And I literally mean death. I don’t mean walk away. I mean death. That’s how I approach it. And we got a job to do here, we’re going to get it done. I’m confident we got the right players, I’m confident we got the right people, and we’ll dig our way out of this.

December 14 – “There’s certain things that he probably won’t ever be good at doing,” Thomas said. “We want to just make sure that he keeps doing the things that he knows how to do well.” – admitting that Eddy Curry might not be good at some important things like defending, rebounding and shot blocking

December 17 – “There are a lot of things that can be said about me and teams that I’ve coached and the way I played,” Thomas said Monday night, “but I’ve never been accused of not having heart or competing. And tonight was very discouraging to me because we didn’t collectively play with heart and compete like I know I do.”

December 17 – “We don’t have the grit to sustain a run. A team makes a run at us and collectively we just cave. We just give in.”

December 17 – “I can give you a lot of things, but I can’t give you pride and heart.” He said he looked forward to the day when the questions would be about what he did wrong strategically, and not “about heart and courage.”

December 18 “I’m not happy about where we are. And if we don’t turn it around soon, then yeah, we’ll have to make some changes.” – after totally ripping his players for their 119-92 loss to Indiana


New York Knicks – Where Embarrassment Happens

November 30, 2007

And in breaking news, the Knicks are awful.  The season still has 68 games left and this is starting to look like two years ago without the changing lineup mechanisms of Larry Brown.

You could accept a loss to the Celtics if they competed for three quarters and the Big Three went on a 12-3 run or something like that in the fourth to put the game away.  That’s how low the standard is for the Knicks.

Luckily I was at the Ranger-Islander game so I only saw the tail end of this debacle.  I have no idea if the Knicks mental state was to quit early but I saw one play on the highlights when Stephon Marbury didn’t or wouldn’t chase a Celtic driving to the hoop for a layup.  That looks like quit to me.

I guess the bad omen was set when Charles Barkley was on WFAN and said something like “Thank God, TNT only has the Knicks once because they suck!”.

The Garden is still a great place to watch a game and it’s a great place to watch the visiting team do their thing, which in the last four seasons is keep the Knicks well under the .500.

Reggie Miller called them a league-wide joke and he’s right.  Obviously it’s not the entire organization, it’s just the owner, coach and a few players.

Marv Albert had to enjoy this seeing as Jim Dolan threw him out after he was too negative on the MSG broadcasts a few years ago.

If there was ever a game where the Knicks needed to open up a 15-5 lead, this is the game, but based on what we’ve seen this season, what would it really show?


The Celtics vs. the Cavaliers and Magic

November 28, 2007

Almost anyone is saying that the Celtics might have to get through the Pistons to advance to the Eastern Conference finals.  That may be true but their games against Orlando and Cleveland – the two teams that have beaten them – may be turn out to be playoff previews and one game indicates nothing especially in the regular season.

But Orlando and Cleveland each looked solid against the Celtics at times.  The Cavs won that one in overtime on Tuesday on their homecourt.  They managed to get a little of luck when Ray Allen one of the NBA’s best foul shooters missed two that would have put Boston ahead 94-92 with less than 25 seconds left in regulation.

Either way it was a helluva game for this early, much better than most I’ve seen in person this season.

I could go on and on but chances are you watched it


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